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Comida Listo: Baking and Butter
Posted On 06/03/2008 20:08:48 by Theresa

Randio posted a comment that asked about salted butter. When he's been to the grocery, they seem to be out. My answer was that you probably just needed to add it, to taste. I have since then done a little research on the web regarding butter making.

 

I actually have made butter in a churn before, but we aren't talking about the homesteading, milk the Jersey cow, skim the cream off the milk type of butter making. All you need is some cream and a food processor or mixer. You simply beat the cream until it separates out, and leaves behind buttermilk. I was interested in how much salt to add to make salted butter. I looked at six different recipes. The answer seems to be "a pinch," in other words, not very much salt. Therefore, I feel that when you are making cookies it simply doesn't matter if you use salted or unsalted butter if you are already using salt in the recipe.

 

After reading the butter making recipes, I am all stoked and ready to make my own butter the next time that I bake some bread. The cream here is incredible! If you check the media crema, they vary from 25 to 30% fat! Well, after writing that sentence, I realized that butter making may have to wait until after the next cholesterol test. Sigh.

 

Which brings us to Boing's question about baking. She wanted to know about baking times. Since we are effectively at sea level, there is no change in baking times or boiling times to worry about, unless you come from a high altitude and your recipes have been adjusted for that. One thing that is different here is the flour. I haven't found any high gluten flour here. I had an opportunity to ask the baking instructor at the cooking school in Merida, and she told me that harina fuerte, which is high gluten, or bread flour, is not available here.  I assume that if you were serious about wanting some extra gluten, you could wash the starch out of some regular flour and use that, but I haven't tried that.

 

I bake bread here, but I don't have the meticulous nature of a true baker. I have some observations though. I think the dough has a tendency to rise too fast here, so when I bake bread, I do it in the morning before it gets over 80 degrees Fahrenheit . If you are serious bread baker and devoted to slow rise, you already know much more about this than I ever will, so I won't go into methods of retarding rise. Another thing I haven't found is pastry or cake flour, but for the type of baking I do, that doesn't matter. If your favorite recipe isn't the same with all purpose flour, you can substitute a quarter cup of corn starch for some of the all purpose flour and get an even softer flour.

 

 

Theresa is the author of ¿What do I do all day? and Theresa's Cooking Blog. Her weekly column, Comida Listo, can be found on Yolisto each Tuesday.

 



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06/09/2008 22:56:46
Hi Boing and Joanne, I guess that answers Randio's question about how much salt! I use unsalted for cooking but I like salted on bread.
Joanna,I don't have a regular oven just a tabletop convection oven (about the size of a microwave), it's electric and I don't think it makes a big difference in our bill. But, we don't have ac so our bill is never in the non-subsidized range. Our oven is outside (under cover) just next to the kitchen door, it works out really well. I wish I had a complete summer kitchen outside but under a roof with screens.
regards,
Theresa



06/08/2008 21:42:01
Boing,  We bought a toaster oven to use when its just too hot for the regular oven.  I like to keep the house as cool as possible, but I wonder what its going to do to the CFE bill.  That, plus I find the regular oven hard to regulate.  We had a natural gas oven in Canada, but in this oven the temperature seems to bounce all over the place.  (I have an oven thermometer.)  I'll have to play around with the gas oven and see if I can get the hang of it.


06/06/2008 13:08:17
I don't use salted butter, ever.  My husband does, but I don't believe in it.  For baking I never do and just add between 1/4 or 1/2 teaspoon and when cooking, I salt to taste.  I'd also go for the imported brands, especially the ones from Europe.  I think the lesser brands have too much water content and not enough fat content.  Joanne, are you bringing out the toaster oven because it's just too darn hot!  I can see why one would bake early in the morning...


06/05/2008 18:43:12
Well, the staff at MegaBalcones must think that I am crazy but I picked up every single brand of butter in the cold case today and read the ingredients! The Mexican brands even the La Gloria European Style,all had additives, the imported ones didn't. Therefore it must be the emulsifiers that keep it from turning into a puddle and make it feel funny on our tongues!
regards,
Theresa



06/04/2008 19:35:06

Theresa, I'm not much of a cook, but I do like to bake, so I was very careful to check that I bought mantequilla, not margarina.  Kept checking the package, too, thinking it had to be wrong.  The Kirkland butter that I have now melts a lot quicker than the Mexican butter I had before, so I bet you're right about having additives to keep it from melting.  I'll have to try the New Zealand butter next time.


 


I don't add extra flour as that would just make the dough tough, but if you're chilling dough too, I'll keep on doing that.   As for the pie dough, it turned out alright, everyone ate the pie and didn't complain, but it was harder to roll out and get a nice looking crust.  The lard was so soft, it was hard to cut into the flour, but I use it immediately on removing from the fridge now, so its easier.


 


I'm going to take the toaster oven outside and bake cookies later.  Thanks.


 


Joanne



06/04/2008 18:27:48
Joanne,
I'm glad to hear that you enjoy my posts.Thank you.
I don't bake much, so maybe someone else who is a baker can answer your questions better. I think there is something in the butter to make it not melt so fast. I was told that there are no label laws like in the USA, but Mexico does model after the nob laws since many products are exported.My point being that maybe there is something added to Mexican butter that doesn't show up on the label?
 I don't want to sound condescending but are you sure you bought mantequilla nor margarina? I asked for butter at Dunosusa and the girl wanted to sell me margarine, I repeated that I wanted butter,she shrugged and said "It's the same thing!" . Actually if it says puro de vaca it should be butter.
Okay, I got off my lazy butt and looked our freezer, unfortunately part of the label is missing but the ingredients in the La Gloria Matequilla are not just cream, it has suero de leche (milk serum?probably skim milk) and emulsifiers. I can't tell what the ingredients are on the package of Anchor butter from New Zealand.
We buy imported butter from New Zealand or Denmark at Mega for using with bread and such and I use La Gloria for cooking.
Gluten is what mixes with the yeast and makes it rise. For a more detailed explanation James Beard has a good one in  Beard on Bread (MEL has a copy).
I'm pretty sure it's the heat that is making your dough soft, since cookies and pies don't depend upon gluten. If I don't chill the pastry dough when I make empanadas they disintegrate when I put them in the oil to fry!
As for lard, like I said I don't bake much so someone else will need to step up to the plate on this one!




06/04/2008 17:55:59

Theresa, I enjoy reading all your posts, here and on your own blogs.  A couple of questions:


 


If the cream is so incredible here, why does the butter taste so bad?  Even if it says "pura de vaca", it tastes like margarine.  I finally bought some butter at Costco (Kirkland brand) that tastes alright.  I like to bake, and only with butter, not margarine, so this is important to me.


 


I like to make cookies and pies.  I don't make yeast doughs.  Does the gluten level in the flour here affect (effect?) non yeast products?  Or is the dough so very soft only because of the heat?  I now chill all doughs before I bake them, but never had to do that before.  I think the pie dough may be different because the lard is different than what I am used to, as well.  (It took a few shopping trips to find the lard in the meat section!)


 


Thanks for your help,  Joanne



06/03/2008 22:25:36

Thanks for your answers about salted butter, Theresa.  I may also try your


suggestion to try to freeze salted butter when I find it available.